It is quite surprising the sorts of things people Google search - Are they looking for validation? Survivors Groups?
I had a long chat today with the owner of a boutique hotel. How was I managing the machismo she wanted to know. And told me how envious she is observing the foreign (English and American) couples that have stayed with her over the years. How they appear to be in love. How they are best friends. How the men seem to enjoy being in the company of a woman rather than enduring it. I have clients here now who spend every day doing things together and say they don't need friends - They are all they need. This in contrast to RaZa looking at me as though I had just landed and saying he could never, but never, be best friends with a woman.
It's cultural and the hotel owner doesn't think it will change for many generations to come. Worse in the North - the women are to be used, expected to endure infidelity or even abuse and dropped when they ask for equality or even a bit of respect. She said a man who tries to change will be villified by his friends for being a pussy. I remember RaZa not wanting to go out to a friend's house when he could stay home with me and being told by his 'friend' that he was 'Dominated'. (I actually wanted to go).
The piropos and endearments are wonderful but they are designed to seduce and manipulate you into giving whatever he wants. You will be alright so long as you don't believe them.
As the owner said, it's sad for women who want to develop something a little less shallow than the endless round of seduction and bedding - The attention will feed you ego once or twice but in the end it's boring and you avoid it. It's sad that over time a culture has developed where people can be so cold.




I have to say that I wish I'd read this before I'd started my relationship with a Porteno. I feel compelled to share my story...
We met in the spring, we talked, we clicked, everything felt right. I was in the process of leaving my husband and making changes in my life when - let's call him G - and I met. We had the same interests and were passionate about the same things, we could talk for hours and hours - we were only friends at first. In a short time he pursued me very intensely - and I mean INTENSE! I have never witnessed anything like it back in the States. For the first time, I was called a Goddess and every day I heard how wonderful I was and he recounted to me in all the ways he loved me. G was constantly texting me, dedicating songs to me, singing to me. Within a month, G said that he wanted to be my partner for life, that I was a drug and he couldn't get enough of me: I was the woman he'd been waiting for and he'd never loved anyone like he loved me. We could not stand to spend one second apart from each other. I got along great with his kids and he loved to see me spending time with them, he was helping my son learn Spanish, I talked to his teenage daughter frequently... it seemed so amazing.
For the next month things got very intense and he asked me to marry him and G said that he wanted to have children with me. Everything felt so right, so wonderful. I did what I could to hurry the divorce process back home and there were some issues with custody. I wrote G and told him that I may not be able to make it to BsAs in the next few months because of some issues I needed to resolve and he never wrote me again. I couldn't figure out what I had done wrong! It just went cold. I eventually received an email from him stating that "ahora entiendo que "vivir lo nuestro" no seria possible por algun tiempo porque de tus chicos. sos LA MEJOR PRECIO DE ESTA VIDA! Perhaps you will find happiness in the arms of another man before you can return to BsAs. Quiero lo mejor por vos!"
I found out a month later that he started talking to another woman THE DAY AFTER I told him that I wouldn't be able to see him in the original time frame we'd planned. I was never Ms. Right... for him, it was all about Ms. RIGHT NOW. There is absolutely no concept of what love really is, it astounds me!!! And to think that I formed a connection with his kids, and he with mine... I feel stupid, and like the WORST MOTHER IN THE WORLD! :( I couldn't believe that what we were doing could have been anything but love.
I just wanted to share my story, I hope that it helps someone. Please be careful when talking to any man in Buenos Aires. In the US there are some men who are major dogs, but I have never seen anyone be treated this way, and I have never seen a man use kids like this to get to a woman. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Jessica | November 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Ridiculous, there are as many different types of men in Argentina as there are Argentines. Being single and dating, particularly for the first time in may years after a separation, which is the case for many women who tango to Argentina and come from all over the world, in any culture is wrought with bumps in the road and in the bed! It is tricky, emotional and we humans are full of mixed messages and emotions. That being said, Argentine men are interesting and more chivalrous but often without funds or the inclinatin to take you to a nice dinner. They sing to you, carry your purse, remember what you wore the other night, notice what you have on and if you seem happy or thinner and these are all things that MOST men from other countries could learn to do. For at least a few days, weeks or months it is entertaining and often the ego boost a woman needs to move to the next stage in her life! Do not believe anything most say until you have met their kids, friends and parents and then realize that most relationships are like trying on shoes. They may seem to fit but once you walk a mile or two, they might hurt or be uncomfortable, not match the rest of your wardrobe, be pretty, exciting when first acquired but-banished to the back of the closet. A whoops.
Posted by: energyprincess | November 01, 2011 at 01:14 AM
Tom -If she spends the rest of her life in Argentina, that wont be a bad thing so long as shes happy. The worry is that once he gets back to his culture he reverts to type (as seems to always happen) and she is a slave in the domestic arena while he behaves like a playboy. If your daughter is strong and has good self esteem, she may be okay although it seems the men like the independent woman until they get control of her and then they want her submissive. I would say she shouldnt get married until she has lived in Argentina for at least a year - at least - and is more sure. If he pushes for marriage this would be a very bad sign.
Posted by: Tracy Johnson | May 28, 2010 at 12:22 PM
so my daughter 21 is "in love" with a 32 year old Argentine. Now she is considering moving there. He is very smart, has a keen sense of justice she says, and treats her well ... of course I think she is nuts to give up the USA for Argentina, but she says she likes the values in Argentina (work less valued, more leisure)
blah blah anyone have any advice? I think he is too smart to let her know he is pulling all the strings and will have all the power once he gets her to move back to 'argentina ... where she will have no family, no support, and let's face it have more challenges than if she was born there ... I think she'll end up living in Argentina forever and not realize she's been screwed until it is too late ...
Posted by: Tom | May 28, 2010 at 01:11 AM
argentine pussies are the property of the men and they they be open for them at their call . If they are not we are the witch .
Posted by: sara | February 21, 2010 at 07:23 PM
strange and sad...
Posted by: Alex | February 19, 2010 at 03:25 AM